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number one, tax revenues have remained about the same regardless of tax rates. the government sort of takes in about the same regardless. and while federal income tax rates have gone down for lower and middle income families since 1980, state and property taxes have gone up by about the same amount. so federal has gone down. so here is my bumper sticker for you guys. maybe i'll print it up this weekend. >> sure. >> blame your mayor and governor. don't blame your president. >> okay 0. see, on that note then, joe, i just -- i know that it's not -- when he says i won and you don't like it, he's just putting out something there that just seems like a little tone deaf to what republicans want to hear. there are some, the consumer confidence, housing, the news on the economy, there are some signs that perhaps this administration might know what they're doing. is that fair to say? >> hold on. >> so you can't say it. >> i can't even say it. >> why don't you pull a mitch mcconnell on me? brian sullivan, thank you. all right, coming up -- >> that's how mitch mcconnell lau
number one, tax revenues have remained about the same regardless of tax rates. the government sort of takes in about the same regardless. and while federal income tax rates have gone down for lower and middle income families since 1980, state and property taxes have gone up by about the same amount. so federal has gone down. so here is my bumper sticker for you guys. maybe i'll print it up this weekend. >> sure. >> blame your mayor and governor. don't blame your president. >>...
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it's not increasing taxes on the wealthy, it's just blanketly you increase taxes. so you've got all this noise going on. and boehner's got to try to figure out a way to give these guys some cover but know he's got to cut the deal. to your point, leigh, about how do you begin to pull it from the big plan to a smaller plan, that's really what the white house and boehner quietly are talking about. >> and what we don't want also is i think a kind of down payment deal that sort of makes it a two-part deal that just delays everything. >> i think you're going to get some of that. i think you'll probably get the big deal for the middle class. okay, we're going to take that off the table. and graham and others have said that. we know we're not going to raise taxes on the middle class. let's let the bush tax cuts stay in place for the middle class. and then it becomes a little bit more of an interesting conversation when you're only dealing with a smaller percentage of the plan as opposed to the big piece right now. >> so how does he -- how does john boehner save face? you t
it's not increasing taxes on the wealthy, it's just blanketly you increase taxes. so you've got all this noise going on. and boehner's got to try to figure out a way to give these guys some cover but know he's got to cut the deal. to your point, leigh, about how do you begin to pull it from the big plan to a smaller plan, that's really what the white house and boehner quietly are talking about. >> and what we don't want also is i think a kind of down payment deal that sort of makes it a...
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capital gains tax. and you even have me going, okay, so what is wrong with the party that believes in free enterprise, that believes in fair play, that believes in working-class americans being able to work hard and start their own businesses? and create their own new jobs and hire their own people? what's wrong with raising the capital gains tax from 15% to 20%? what's wrong with warren buffett's idea of having a minimum tax for the super rich of 30%? so people making the type of money warren buffett makes, the type of money that mitt romney makes, the type of money that bill gates makes. those people aren't paying 14% taxes when the rest of americans are carrying the full load. >> i think to your point about the party on this issue, absolutely. i think the party has a window now to come to the table in an honest way to be, again, the party of the middle class. more importantly, joe, to be the party of the poor, to make the argument of elevating people out of poverty into ownership through our tax syst
capital gains tax. and you even have me going, okay, so what is wrong with the party that believes in free enterprise, that believes in fair play, that believes in working-class americans being able to work hard and start their own businesses? and create their own new jobs and hire their own people? what's wrong with raising the capital gains tax from 15% to 20%? what's wrong with warren buffett's idea of having a minimum tax for the super rich of 30%? so people making the type of money warren...
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now they've morphed raising taxes to tax cuts for the rich. he's playing out of a 1995 playbook and, yes, they won the election using a class warfare argument and god bless them. they're not going to win reelection. because he's not running again. when's he going to realize that? >> just a matter of -- >> and by the way, jon, i'm sorry, he's not running for reelection again, the 225 or 35 republicans are running for reelection. and i would tell every one, if he doesn't come to you with a deal, do not vote to raise taxes a cent. don't do it. don't do it. you'll get beaten and washington will spend that money and they won't cut again and the deficit will be $18 trillion a couple of years from now. okay. now go ahead. >> why the conversation to some extent isn't about phrases like disciplined investment. mark's exactly right. it's all about, we're going to make the rich pay. and the fair share gets close to that. but it's always about what we're going to raise. the first part of the conversation is taxes going up. and i think people are willing t
now they've morphed raising taxes to tax cuts for the rich. he's playing out of a 1995 playbook and, yes, they won the election using a class warfare argument and god bless them. they're not going to win reelection. because he's not running again. when's he going to realize that? >> just a matter of -- >> and by the way, jon, i'm sorry, he's not running for reelection again, the 225 or 35 republicans are running for reelection. and i would tell every one, if he doesn't come to you...
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tax the rich. tax the rich. we tax the rich. everything will be fine. if we don't tax the ruch, locusts will descend from the heavens. that's all they do. that's all they've been doing for ten years. after 9/11 we should have had sacrific sacrifice, but bush cut taxes on the rich. everything is about bush tax cuts. >> my favorite montage that we put together one time was during both the '04 presidential democratic primaries and the '08 democratic primaries, every single presidential candidate, at one point, from hillary clinton to barack obama, from john kerry to john edwards, all of them, they all played for their plan with this simple phrase, "rolling back the bush tax cuts." they've been doing it for eight years. so politically, that's why the president has to draw that line in the sand. >> he draws that line in the sand, but harold ford, what happens when republicans, at least a small number of them, go ahead and raise taxes on the top 2% and then turn to the white house and say, okay. now we'll move. and then they have to talk about how they're goi
tax the rich. tax the rich. we tax the rich. everything will be fine. if we don't tax the ruch, locusts will descend from the heavens. that's all they do. that's all they've been doing for ten years. after 9/11 we should have had sacrific sacrifice, but bush cut taxes on the rich. everything is about bush tax cuts. >> my favorite montage that we put together one time was during both the '04 presidential democratic primaries and the '08 democratic primaries, every single presidential...
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-- not touch this middle class tax bill. that worst case scenario they could come up with and i think kimberly wrote an op-ed about how the republicans could actually say, hey, he won't deal with us, fine, we'll give him the middle class tax rates and that's it. but you could see we now it's a debate, will it be a small deal like the one we described or the big deal? >> what do you think about boehner and the president both agreeing 0 to get together one-on-one? >> it's about time. you needed the two weeks, i think. you hate to say it. you had to kill some time. you had to let the posturing happen. that's what washington feeds on. fair enough, it's just what they do. >> does this mean that john boehner has the confidence of the republican caucus, that he can go into a negotiating room with the president and not worry about getting, you know, having to pull 12 knifes out of his back after he comes back with a proposal? >> i think the whole thing of political posturing is a big issue n. talking with him and others, there hasn'
-- not touch this middle class tax bill. that worst case scenario they could come up with and i think kimberly wrote an op-ed about how the republicans could actually say, hey, he won't deal with us, fine, we'll give him the middle class tax rates and that's it. but you could see we now it's a debate, will it be a small deal like the one we described or the big deal? >> what do you think about boehner and the president both agreeing 0 to get together one-on-one? >> it's about time....